Conservative Blogger Debate: Sarah Palin Edition

Monday, March 8, 2010
By T. CHRISTOPHER

For the second round of the conservative blogger debate series, yours truly and Don from Conservative Hideout 2.0 and Present Discontent are discussing the conservative starlet Sarah Palin.  Russ at That’s Right and the Classic Liberal are moderating, so expect the unexpected in terms of the questions they may come up with.  Here’s question number one…

Present economic conditions being what they are (9.7% unemployment;projected 1.5 trillion budget deficit;skyrocketing national debt; etc.) what impact, if any, do you think Sarah Palin’s prior actions as governor or policy pronouncements more recently, would have on any given specific economic indicator or the economy in general? Don’t feel restrained to the indicators given in your answer. Specific examples of her implemented policies/pronouncements are encouraged but not necessarily required.

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Ed: This is not intended to be a referendum on why we are where we are but rather a question on whether the debaters think Sarah Palin’s prior actions and more recent words if implemented would have any impact (good, bad or indifferent) on the situation as it exists.

Here’s a piece of Don’s answer….

Sarah Palin is many things to many people, a lightning rod of unfair criticism for the left, a mother, a wife and among other things, a strong conservative. Not only that, Sarah Palin is a Reagan Conservative, so that means she is very fiscally conservative. Under the guidelines of the question above, with her self professed “Common Sense Conservatism” it would be easy to predict that she would have a very positive impact on the American economy. Therefore, I want to review her fiscal policies she enacted as both a mayor and a governor.

As Mayor of Wasilla, AK she cut property taxes by a huge margin of 75%, offsetting it with a 2% sales tax increase that had been enacted before she took office. Additionally she eliminated business inventory and personal property taxes. This increased the business climate in Wasilla, prompting the Boston Globe to quote a local business man who credits Sarah with making the town “more of a community…It’s no longer a little strip town that you can blow through in a heartbeat.” She also kept a jar on her desk with all the names of the residents of Wasilla in it and once a week, she would randomly choose a name, call that person and elicit their thoughts on how the town was doing. Her fiscal actions helped her to win re-election as Mayor with 75% of the vote.

Check out his full remarks here…. and here

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I feel I must state at the onset that I wholeheartedly object to the first question offered in this “debate” with every ounce of my being.  I cannot – even for a second – consider the alternate reality that would have to present itself and suck me in for Sarah Palin to actually have an impact on our nation’s economic future, so I am admittedly struggling to formulate a response to Don’s post and want to beat Russ with an Old Hickory switch for even offering up this miserable question.

For those of you unfortunate enough to find yourself enamored with the Alaskan maverick, I must tell you from the “get-go” that I see your conservative rockstar as nothing more than an uber-popular political talking head.  I think her reach extends to her audience and her audience alone…. and her impact is minimal at best and will remain as such until she slowly fades into the background of the political theater never to be seen or heard from ever again.  I do not discount her popularity or even her following.  I simply see her career evolution taking her in the direction of a Glenn Beck (or dare I say Oprah Winfrey) rather than that of a Ronald Reagan or even a GW.  The very idea of Palin (at any point in the future) having an impact on the nation’s economy in my mind is tantamount to thinking cheerleaders have an impact on the outcomes of football games.  She can no more impact our nation’s economy than can Beck, Hannity, Coulter, or my seven year old nephew for that matter; but in the spirit of this “debate” I will forge ahead nonetheless and play along.

So I guess the premise has to go something like this… At some point in the future, Sarah Palin becomes something or someone capable of impacting the economic future of this great country… (See.. I’m really struggling with this.  I mean is someone going to make her head of the Fed for Christ’s sake – because I know we’re not talking President??  Are we?)

I guess what we’re really trying to get at here is the meat of Sarah Palin’s economic pronouncements / policies…both recently and while she served as mayor of Wasilla and Governor of Alaska.  I think I can muster up the strength to discuss the points offered by Don, but I fail to see where much “debate” will come from this either – so prepare yourself for a bit of a ramble from me on this one.  As I have stated many, many, many times on this site… I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH SARAH PALIN on the vast majority of issues.  In fact, my disdain for Gov Palin comes from the very fact that she’s the queen of offering up exactly what I want to hear.  She’s read the token conservative playbook cover to cover, and I firmly believe she places head to pillow every evening memorizing talking points with the hope of dropping a noteworthy post via Facebook before her morning moose hunt.

I do admit that its not fair to criticize Sarah Palin for giving me exactly what I want, but ask any of my former girlfriends and they will certainly tell you that giving me what I want (in G.I. Joe terms) is only half the battle – and who ever said I had to be fair in the first place?  I simply need more… I need to know that you know why I want what I want – and that’s where Sarah Palin loses me.  She knows I want lower taxes, smaller government, etc, etc…  so she force feeds it to me day after day.  If she is the great communicator and conduit for relating to “everyday” Americans as everyone tells me that she is, shouldn’t she be the one to begin explaining to the American People how we as conservatives have come to those positions – or more importantly how we’re going to put talk into action?  If she is the common man’s woMAN of choice, why hasn’t she realized that the vast majority of her followers couldn’t connect the Tenth Amendment with States’ Rights if they were sitting with a copy of the Bill of Rights in their Right hand and the Declaration in their left because people like Sarah Palin have gone so long without referencing the two openly and honestly that they’ve all but become an afterthought.  Perhaps even more troubling is the fact that its approaching the point of impossibility to assume that anyone can sift through the token conservative Republican model rhetoric and ramblings to understand that ideas like “universal health care,” job creation, and bank bailouts are counter to the intentions of our Founders on the most fundamental of levels – and that even engaging in the dialog about these topics without having a constitutional discussion discredits, disgraces, and attempts to destroy the very documents our Forefathers created.  They aren’t simply Democratic creations Republicans must oppose, they are threats to our very system of government.

Why can’t a political figure so in touch with the needs, wants, and interests of her right-wing supporters (she did have that bowl of names in Wasilla – which when viewed through the who gives a shit looking glass sounds a great deal like President Obama’s Ten Letters he reads every night) understand that the red meat doesn’t carry the day 365 in Washington.  Being conservative is about a great deal more than being able to recite the Mount Vernon Statement or whatever list of campaign issues Republicans are rallying around for the day, week, month.  If she is the great hope of “common folks” everywhere and not just another Great White Hype, why isn’t she at the forefront of framing these debates in a more reflective light – one that pays homage – not lip-service to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?  One that begins to remind Americans that Republicans and conservatives support those laundry list issues because of our adherence to Founding principles?

I think the answer is two-fold.  One.  I think she knows the current climate and I think she knows what sells.  Car salesmen in the 50’s weren’t running ads boasting fuel economy and Victoria’s Secret isn’t buying spots to talk about where their bras are manufactured (trust me on that one folks – ladies check out that label next time your slipping one on or gentleman next time your fumbling through taking one off – it ain’t Detroit).  Its just easier to put out there what people want according to the passions of the day, and to drive the point home by showing them exactly what they want to see and telling them what they want to hear.  Sarah Palin is a marketing genius in this regard.  She knows riled up right-wingers want to hear right-wing rhetoric and they want their daily does of red meat – and who can blame them after a year of this madness and eight years of “Compassionate Conservatism?”

Two.  I think Palin knows that if she goes that route she runs the risk of being torn apart by academics – both on the Left and on the Right.  Now this is not where I go David Brooks on you folks… I simply think many – like Palin – have allowed themselves to believe that historical and constitutional analysis of issues is just too complicated to explain on a case by case basis – and the reality is that it is anything but.  Christians use the Ten Commandments as a point of reference on a daily basis – and that “little” piece of literary brilliance tells them what they can’t do rather than what they can do as it is presented under the format laid out in the Bill of Rights.  Why isn’t that one easier to reference?

It should be, but for some reason, it is a foreign document to many like Sarah Palin.  They reference it when convenient for their talking points, but they rarely rely upon it.  Doing so would expose too many of the hypocrisies in their overall message.   That First Amendment is pretty tricky and has been broadly interpreted, but the pesky little Separation of Church and State business is a bit tough to sell for many on the Right when examined under strict interpretation.  Explaining the constitutional foundation for specific debates, issues, and controversies becomes somewhat complicated when doing so establishes a paper trail that can come back to haunt them on the “big issues” like abortion or gay marriage … and we all know Gov Palin only loosely adheres to that Free Speech nonsense – just ask Rahm / Rush…

So you ask… how does any of this relate to Palin’s impact on our economic future??? Right now, I see Palin as a one trick pony.  If she can trade in the talking points and bone up on the rarely-used practice of strict interpretation and start to flesh out a few of her talking points, I think she could have a tremendous impact on the economic future of this great nation because she could use her broad range of support to remind the American people that our Founding Fathers gave us the answers to the problems we now face – more than 200 years ago.  They created a model that guaranteed individual liberty and has allowed capitalism to flourish for more than two centuries.  If Palin can lead us back to those roots… even I will follow.

The only people in this great nation that can directly impact our nation’s economic future (positively) are the American people themselves.  They need to be reminded that our federal government was never intended to do even a fraction of what it does by personally granted mandate in the current hour – not blinded to that reality by bumper stickers and campaign slogans.  As I stated earlier, in theory I wholeheartedly support most of the initiatives and actions mentioned by Don in his post.  That said, my initial objections to this question were exacerbated by reading Don’s endorsement of her record and by extension her potential impact on the national economy because while I love “lower taxes,” selling off private jets, and dropping per diem expenses… that just not telling me much.  In fact, thats not holding much water with me at all because our current President promised a middle class tax cut, dropped his fleet of private helicopters, and his wife even put their kids on a diet – and I’m thinking that’s not working out for me too well.   Talking points are great folks, but I’m not buying stock in Palin Corp, and I’m not wagering the economic future of the great nation on the hope that she means what she says and an anecdote from a local citizen telling me she could make this nation more of a “community.”

The body of evidence is simply too small folks, and that is why without further explanation from Governor Palin, I cannot allow myself to drink the Kool-Aid and believe she has any role to play greater than what is already behind us.  Personally, I believe she is the fine conservative she says she is.  I make that statement purely on faith and accordingly it has little merit, but I do believe she means what she says.  I simplyfail to see how she is in any way, shape, form, or fashion capable of putting to work and bring to fruition any of what she allegedly believes in.  I think far too many have christened her the chosen one without even asking the question – does she want it even if she’s capable of doing it?  I think Palin is content playing political pundit; and as long as that is where she remains, I will support her, listen to her, pay money to hear her speak… but the second she becomes something else or something more… I’m going to need some answers.

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Make sure to check out Makes My Brain Itch, Classic Liberal, That’s Right, Fishersville Mike, and Mind Numbed Robot for commentary and the inevitable criticism of my position on Gov Palin…

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Don’s Response is up… Check it out here.

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13 Responses to “Conservative Blogger Debate: Sarah Palin Edition”

  1. [...] Conservative Blogger Debate: Sarah Palin Edition [...]

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  2. Linked at MNR:
    “UPDATE II: The reply has been posted. A shot across the bow? Or a direct hit? “

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  3. marinemanny

    Blam! If that doesn’t clear up the Palin debate nothing will. God Bless you T. Prepare for the coming flood.

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  4. “…and want to beat Russ with an Old Hickory switch for even offering up this miserable question.”

    That might be the single greatest line I’ve ever read on the internet.

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  5. Patrick Heffernan

    You spelled out your case quite well, Sir, but I think everyone overlooked something so plainly obvious that it didn’t get seen by anyone. Ms. Palin ran for Vice President and at most would only be empowered in that position to have cast a deciding vote in the Senate between popping out to this funeral or that which our hypothetical President McCain would choose not to attend. I think the odds of her ever being a major figure in American politics range from Slim to None, and Slim is probably off in Montana herding cattle.

    Patrick Heffernan
    A Proud Texas Conservative!

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    • T. CHRISTOPHER

      Fine point Mr. Heffernan. As always, you certainly did not disappoint. Somewhere lost in my frustration with Russ’s question, I think that was my general message. Ignoring the fact that we only had a brief glimpse of “governor Palin” because of her untimely departure, I think it is lost on many that she has yet to declare an intention to be anything but what she currently is. She has never been in a position to impact national policy and as far as I can tell… she has no intention of trying to do so. I think the more sensible debate would focus on whether or not she could have any measurable success if she decided to do so.

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  6. [...] Economy, Pt. 2 Filed Under: Op-Ed by anticsrocks — Leave a comment Mar 08, 2010 Okay T. Christopher posted a response to my opening remarks. Now I shall sit down and pen some thoughts in an effort to help further shape the debate and [...]

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  7. [...] T. Christopher posted a response to my opening remarks. Now I shall sit down and pen some thoughts in an effort to help further shape the debate and [...]

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  8. Don

    Here is my second round in our debate.

    Sarah Palin & The Economy, Pt. 2

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  9. [...] Christopher, however, brings up a good point concerning Sarah Palin: The body of evidence is simply too small folks, and that is why without further explanation from [...]

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  10. Fargo 44

    Gee how many times now in the past couple of months has this blog site raised an editorial on Sarah Palin? And always with an obligatory declaration early on in the piece which goes, “…well gee sorry folks if you are fans of her’s — I’m not.”

    You have you not made that point many times now? I get it.

    But do I care one bit that T. Christopher does not support Governor Palin? No, not much really (in case you were wondering).

    Her accomplishments are many and they are significant ones too, she is a natural leader. Are you?

    Quote: “The only people in this great nation that can directly impact our nation’s economic future (positively) are the American people themselves.

    That is true, and Sarah Palin makes more of a positive impact on “the American people” helping see the mess we are in and helping lead them to responsible actions to address it every day than this blog site will accomplish in 10 years.

    Quote: “They need to be reminded that our federal government was never intended to do even a fraction of what it does by personally granted mandate in the current hour – not blinded to that reality by bumper stickers and campaign slogans.”

    Actually is that not one of Palin’s main messages? Doesn’t she remind folks constantly about the inappropriate power grabs and unsustainable size the federal government…oh, just about EVERY SINGLE time she speaks publicly — that I’ve heard anyway. (in case you weren’t listening).

    Quote: “In fact, my disdain for Gov Palin comes from the very fact that she’s the queen of offering up exactly what I want to hear.”

    Really? That does not sound like a very good (or logical) reason to show “disdain” for someone — because the person happens to agree with you?

    If there is some POINT to this blog page? Other than telling everyone (again) you don’t support Governor Palin? If so I missed it. — Sorry.

    “She can no more impact our nation’s economy than can Beck, Hannity, Coulter, or my seven year old nephew for that matter; but in the spirit of this “debate” I will forge ahead nonetheless and play along.”

    Beck, Hannity, Coulter, all reduced the impact of a 7 year old child? Now that’s news to me — a lot of advertiser are wasting a lot of money then. Why didn’t you include Rush in that then too? Hummmm, cat get your tongue?

    Let me spell it out for you. Palin as well as Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Levin, Limbaugh et al. have large listening audiences — these would be the AMERICAN PEOPLE. They educate the folks. The so informed and educated American citizens then are inspired to vote for responsible government officials and this, in turn, influences our nation’s policies, the size of the federal government and also impacts our economy. So, I say that they ARE more influential than your nephew after all!

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    • T. CHRISTOPHER

      B Daniel I am sorry I offended you with my ramblings. I am sincerely sorry for wasting your time at my site. I apologize for referencing Sarah Palin more than once in a month and for not speaking favorably of her on every occasion. I love that you overlook every aspect of this piece that was in jest. I laughed hysterically when you called it an “editorial” rather than a response to a question posed/ position presented at another blog. I really appreciated it when you said you didn’t care what “T Christopher thought about Sarah Palin” but then wrote 14 paragraphs at my site telling me about it. Who am I at the end of the day but a humble blogger in a world of bloggers? Who am I to ramble about the world of politics when there are so many out there like you B Daniel bringing forth change on a daily basis with your contributions to the great nation that we now both write about. God Bless you B Daniel. I hope you have done something to better your country today. If not, you’re just an asshole.

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    • T. CHRISTOPHER

      Ps… you do realize this is a blog right? T Christopher’s not running for office any time soon… and if he was it would have no impact on this site and you wouldn’t hear about it here… Get a grip. I said not one negative thing about Sarah Palin in that entire post. Yes, I left out Rush Limbaugh – not a slip – simply a stream of consciousness rant about a topic posed by someone else. You can include him, exclude him… whatever you like. My positions and or beliefs are not based upon or impacted by anyone in this world – politically speaking – so I could give a damn what Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, Hannity, fill in the blank think about what I have to say. My respective levels of respect for those men vary, but none of them – NONE of them shape my political views. They simply offer political commentary that I typically agree with – in the same fashion but unlike in agreement – as those in the mainstream media.

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